it's looking like milan (or venice!) may be out of the price range. milan is 330DM return and venice is 370. that equoates to about $270 and $300 respectively. brussels is 210DM -> $170. that s better, but i might have to stay in germany. if i choose a german city, i can do evening/night travel just about anywhere for 120DM-> $100. i ll have to think tonight about how much i#m willing to spend. i think i+ll just start using random punctuation marks for apostrophjes, since i can never hit the damn things anyway. this evening i=m going to call ludwig and probablz leave a message on his machine telling him to come find me here at the conference tomorrow. i don t have a (dammit - missed again) phone at the place i*m staying. hopefullz we!ll be able to get together tomorrow.